Im not even allowed to buy my customer a sandwich. I definitely like it that way (not that I have anything to hide). She spoke about it to our satisfaction, her references were good, and we hired her. Colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs When they go get their lunch. I also wasnt talking about social media. I used to work in the head office of a large company, the head office had about 100 staff and we had several smaller regional offices dotted across the country but only about 10 staff based across those. In this case, our OP didnt put it out there. Of course, that but again thats more about what someone does with the information once they find it as opposed to whether they googled it in the first place. But no one worries about things like branded pens and mousepads, just like they dont worry about business cards, because thats pretty much what they are. I think whats more important is what you do with that information if you happen to find it, not whether or not you looked it up. Also a huge factor with companies that work with or for government agencies in other ways; I work for a company that competes for projects large and small with private companies and government agencies at all levels, and we have extremely strict rules against receiving (or giving) anything of value not only to current or potential clients, but also current or potential subcontractors, or current or potential suppliers and/or vendors. My management was moved to a manager who the director seemed to actually manage, and now I have two levels of people above me who have no idea what I do. But since I dont have one large office to put everyone in, even my on-campus staff are spread out in several locations. Parle vous that experience into a better fit. This can happen when the manager is at director level and their direct report is managing a function that the director has no direct experience of. If youre not part of the required search/disclosure, please, be mindful that snooping is really about satisfying your own curiosity rather than helping. I dont think that coworkers are googling me because I am not that interesting and they have more important things to do, but if I found out that a coworker had googled me or run a background check just out of sheer curiosity I would not be surprised. In regards to paying to run a background check the basic ones just use public information, that you have implicitly by living in society made publicly available. Even better, you can encourage reactive helping by communicating to colleagues that you're willing to help if needed, increasing the likelihood that they will ask for help directly. When looking for information about someone, consider how that person would feel about it to help you determine boundaries (In the previous example, Jane would probably be ok with the first question but not the second). And no I dont feel bad about communicating it here for the LW. I also brought my laptop to the party and called him on Skype so he could hang out with everyone (which isnt really normally how we handle remote people usually we just do audio calls). Oh, definitely some folks have set land speed records coming over from the other buildings when pizzas are announced! So yeah, very industry-dependent. I mean if they were giving off serious serial killer vibes and I had to work alone with them, that would be one thing, but otherwise, no. Ive had to go through the trainings for vendors who want to be able to participate in Federal contracts, and it IS strict. I also think a Starbucks gift card is a good idea and one that wont break the bank. Sure, but thats the company, not a random coworker. This resulted in a weird exchange with the hiring manager, thankfully who was understanding, but definitely left a bitter taste about asking prev. My big question has always been, if at the interviewing stage someone had found that blog post, what to do about it? To put it bluntly, she lucked out when she got her job, and the opposite happened to me. Thats literally why it exists. Probably in much more detail than you really care aboutLOL. Usually happens when someone new gets hired and just want to know a little about them, also use this to look up some minimal information about new clients, etc.. Thats light years away from googling someone and accidentally seeing public information. The OP for the letter that spawned this question had that info published about them but it didnt detail why it ended up not being a big deal. I think Alisons recommendations are wise here, and this is a good moment to demonstrate curiosity rather than getting defensive or trying to prove yourself. It wasnt dicey stuff, but it could have been bordering on (UK) illegal discrimination (high school location aka economic status, guess the age, that kind of thing). Thats the part whats most likely to freak everyone out. I just put extra effort into ensuring my kids have a good digital footprint instead. So if you google my name and my profession, you will get info about that other person. Ive seen it too many times- the hiring manager will say Oh, theyre not working, so they should be happy to accept $10k below what they were making because theyre desperate. Its an awful practice and shame on their HR/Compensation partners who dont pushback and tell them its unacceptable. It was highly unnecessary and the person already disclosed that they didnt need sponsorship now or ever on their application. Youre guessing what a single person would like, rather than what most people in a group of 20 would appreciate. colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs kasm 29, 2021 '' te g&246;nderildi tarafndan they&226; ve written him of so many times, but he&226; s always come back. ), You are absolutely right. That may involve multiple layers of googling. I lost count over the years of the number of times folks (almost always tourists) would pull into the dead end, park, and then take pictures or just stare. Who wants to waste their time on something so stupid. It was pushed by one of the partners, who wanted some things done, had a general idea what he wanted, but didnt know exactly what was needed. 'Coworker' vs. 'Colleague': What's the difference? - Merriam Webster Go read Wireds recent article about Google. Presumably your company isnt relying on those things as part of the supplies they provide (and may even prefer you not use other companies branded supplies in any client-facing work, who knows). The nurse looked up records for patients assigned to herself, or to another nurse - but did not have a treatment reason to view the records. Can you specify what industries? We all posted a picture of us eating at whatever restaurant we chose on the Slack channel and talked about what we ordered. Maybe John shouldnt be googling me, his coworker, but will he? With my name still attached. Because Im a pragmatist when it comes to things like safety, and as my husbands driving instructor said about defensive driving If you wind up in the hospital, its not going to matter if you were right or not. It doesnt make it ok to run red lights, or to assault someone because its a dark nigh etc. There was one time where my personal twitter (that I honestly forgot I had, I never used it) got hacked and for about a week was doing nothing but streaming porn links. Nope. Privacy Policy and Affiliate Disclosures, my new employee ran a background check on me and asked me about what he found, I'm a nepotism baby, paying based on where employees live, and more. You typically dont even have to go past the first page of results. In my field everyone has a website. I wouldnt want to talk to 20 people I dont know about this sort of thing and it would also be pretty time consuming. They will. Yeah a gift card for an entire pizza always beats having a few slices in the office. I dont have any moral concerns with googling people, or with others googling me. Obviously, Im not giving them the turkey sandwich I ate, but should the notepads and pens stay at my desk for use at work, or is it okay if that pen makes it way into my purse at the end of the presentation? Its a way to learn more about someone when you may be too nervous to approach them or you just dont have a close enough relationship with them to ask for their life story. Just a comment inspired by #4: speaking as someone on a decluttering mission right now, beware of swag unless you really really know youll use it. The AAM commentary sometimes reinforces some bad ideas that are not really norms, avoiding talking to your coworkers seems to be one of them. And she took great delight in explaining that head office were not included as they always got treats, so it was their turn to miss out. Whereas the OP whom Facebook connected over to their distant coworkers post on the patio sets for sale board as selling a patio set because she was moving, the advice was to act like she hadnt seen it rather than tell everyone coworker must be quitting because she was about to move. Assume your manager is smart and go from there. I understand that people in the office get perks, but my perk is choosing where I work. I find it hard to believe so many people think its outrageous to do something on the level of looking at the public posts on someones FB page. And occasionally to search for stuff to satisfy curiosity (like whether a couple has broken up or whether a former coworker is still at the new job). And deliberately trying to learn that stuff is creepy, but way worse if I talk to them about it. Facebook has an especially bad record, but the reality is that a LOT of what is publicly viewable was not put up with the consent of the person. Instead of it being a negative thing, its a positive thing! Thats the same reason there are so many political signs up at election time. And literally no one else I know can tolerate them. To the point that I work with someone with my name, I act with someone with my name, and I married briefly into a family with someone with my name (a cousin). So maybe the company can do something like that also. I never would have thought of this. For those who truly are not on campus, I like the idea of bringing them something when they meet. Years later, I google myself and discover that some enterprising person had typed up that information and added it to their online membership list, which was something I did not know even existed. (And many people at this employer were FB friends with each other. Thats not the same as going by a coworkers house when its part of your route or when you need to pick them up/drop them off. I think your analogy is over-the-top. Nothing wrong with the satisfaction in doing better than a competitor in amateur sports but youre not supposed to be obvious about it. It costs money and time, and I dont have either. I agree. Anything you could call research is an overstep. Nosy people are the worst. #1 My stance is, if youve published it on the internet, its fair game. This is my hill! Public records are now searchable when they didnt use to be available. Mine have all disappeared so I cant see whats new and whats not, so Im wading through comments Ive already read. Because they looked something up that is publicly available? I can see how someone would look at how extensively I look people up and think Id be OK with that but I am SO NOT and I in my field, where everyone does the kind of searching/reading I do, I think 99% would agree that that crosses the line into stalking. I think this is a great way to look at it. 1. Start there. There are two dozen people on my team, but only four of us in this office; the rest, along with the manager, are in another state. For me, the difference is the amount of effort taken. Thats what people have a problem with. Nothing to do with social media. if you bought a house, how much you paid for it. #1 I very much fall into the camp of anything more than a linkedin search is being too nosy. If you search for my name, youll get a lot of noise. what are the minimum benefits an employer needs to provide? In my field we work internationally and tend to start off fairly formal, so I also need to make sure I have their title right and that I have their given name and family name the right way round, so I dont call a new contact Mr River when shes Dr Song. I have looked at LinkedIn profiles of some co-workers and people who are interviewing me for jobs. A major false equivalency. Or if the boss wants to be nice ask them what they would like a slice of. I rarely take swag. Same is true of my relatives i have zero social media, but any f-ing stranger (or colleague or whoever) can go find out my family member names and where they live. I think how much its okay for a person to Google partially depends on how good you are at pretending you didnt see whatever overly personal details you might come across. If you Google me, you can find out that I experienced [insert awful family tragedy here, e.g., my father killed my mother in a murder-suicide]. Using personal information to do questionable things can be a violation. I am pretty careful about what I put on line and frequently check privacy permissions on social media, but there is no way for me to mitigate the background type sites. Rather than jumping in and fixing something, you can help a colleague come up with their own solutions. Whatever. This is like trying to argue that its creepy to look someone up in the phone book or the Yellow Pages. She didnt write on her blog that shed gotten arrested. And even proving youre the owner of the house and removing the pics (like you can on Zillow) doesnt mean there wont be pics of your house on other sites like Redfin or crossposted from other real estate sites. And Im saying thats not necessarily true. Similar we have deemed certain family law issues to have no legitimate public interest that is why family issues with minors are sealed, juvenile court records are usually sealed, and I think that most details of divorce proceedings are not public (someone correct me if I am wrong). The folks who think that Googling someones professional info are really confusing me. One employee wondered if this was something we had to disclose since they won it on a work trip, but another said it was after hours so its our own time. Same here. There comes a point where digging deeply for information, even though its publicly available, crosses the line. Wow. I would feel comfortable saying ^ in front of them and our boss, so it makes sense. Most places have an explicit dollar amount. but Ill never negotiate against my own hire. Sometimes I have seen a coworker, friend, acquaintance a the market and told someone else guess who I saw at the market today John Smith. Ditto. It would be a bigger deal if the department had a big event with gifts. Its not how it should be, but its how it is. It just is. Dont want it out there? End up in a new story? : (The cake pops are amazing.) Sure, someone could look in and see what youre doing. What in the world could you possibly gain? On the other hand, if a fellow competitive butter carver searched for me to find out about past competitions Ive been in, thats fine. ), can get swept under the rug, if they come in a stream of, or an attitude of, vent. But we can at least maintain the illusion of privacy, and that is almost as valuable. I am not pro-tell everyone everything in fact I am quite the opposite, I am an I dont post anything online that I dont want the whole world to see person. In my department, supervisors will treat off-siters to a coffee or other food gift card about once a quarter. This attitude is sad. But I do not think they are that far apart. Snooping: sometimes its a grey area (except paid background checks, thats not ok). I have a common name. Thats a hard message to deliver as a manager, and Ive seen that feedback delivered passively via training assignments more times than I can count, unfortunately. They left the company and emailed our team their private Facebook name for post-work connections It sounds like OP3 raised the issue that their manager basically wasnt really managing them or giving them much support. I also very rarely make public posts. Knowing this, I would be angry on your behalf if you cant keep a pen since theres no reasonable reason behind it. If I am having a conversation with people and someone says I wonder xyz and a phone/computer is not readily available I will come back a week later and say remember your xyz question well here is the answer. Also, for the people asking why not just talk to them, this is how I found out a co-worker supports white nationalists and a lot of other stuff that is literally dangerous to my family. I think advocating for 5% more is total crap. I know enough for friendly chit-chat and thats it. Exactly. I mean, I liked that time I got a free meal from my employer when I was remote, but even then, the entire team was remote. But wow finding your address and using Google Maps to *look* it and the commenting about the trees!?!!?!! Even then its not a guarantee though. draw such a clear boundary. That doesnt mean Id be happy if you called me up. I think in the situation Red5 mentioned the sales agent was not walking the person through the house, they were shooing them away. Another has been to see how technical a manager is a technical industry. Thats not prejudging, thats just accurately judging. Yeah, we have only a couple of remote workers and when we have a staff celebration where we are given lunch, they either arrange for a gift card or tell them to buy themselves lunch and the finance staff will be given a heads up to approve reimbursement. Top it off, it is only quasi-accurate since it implies I live alone, but Mr Gumption lives with me. Wrong answer. But there are lines of privacy to be respected between employees; however, this is not talked about as often nor are these lines well drawn. It wasnt a violation in 1989 when your address came directly to my house, in the form of a 2000-page book published by US West, either. Sometimes even with drink (I have no clue if it was coffee or not) in their hand. Agreed. You agreed to this when you signed up. I think his company gets a deal from the chain on the gift cards because theyre the go to caterers for their on site stuff. While I disagree with the norm, I will admit that most people would be freaked out by someone bringing up info they found online. If youre curious about their professional background, fine and even potentially relevant. I am 90% sure he was not doing it on purpose, he had just picked up the language like people say btw and lol in conversation now. And there is probably a process for making sure the background check is accurate, which googling someone may not be. Why would I want to get to know someone if their social media has a bunch of homophobic stuff, for example? (My real first name was popular during a certain time, and last name is also quite common in my state.). I would not call it the same thing as a stranger sorting through your cart at the grocery store!! I have no interest in the personal (or previously professional) lives of my managers, higher management or co-workers. Maybe the company was given free training slots, maybe the managers/HR thought it might be something that the OP would enjoy as a development exercise, maybe it was framed as a course for experienced managers and the training just sucked. I feel like this approach is sort of trying to logic people into not being uncomfortable, and thats just not really how human interaction works. Like, its weird to me when people asked me if I was still with my SO and if we were married when they could just check fb. If youre uncomfortable with what the law decides is public information, thats on you. Whats something related I can do for my remote workers if Im going to feed the crew on-site? If I saw someone wearing a cow costume under their clothes I would certainly try to get a closer look, is it just a cow top, are they wearing a full body cow costume, I would wonder are they going to a costume party today, do they work for some kind of dairy farm. Theres a difference. But the phone book example is a good one. It would be worth asking the remote employees if they feel shortchanged because they dont occasionally get to enjoy free food or if they feel the benefits of working from home outweigh getting a slice of pizza or a free cup of coffee every now and then. What I post under my name on social media is there to be looked at and create an image. Thats not a typical situation. If youre in an of industry where its common for people to have their own website related to their work, then its only natural to google them for that reason. There is such a thing as common sense and courtesy. Googling a coworker for work reasons, LinkedIn, publications, etc. And for those of us who are living in a time and place where its not necessarily safe to tell people about who we are in a get to know you conversation, I sure as hell am going to check on people before opening up too much to them, at least to the extent Im able to by what they choose to say about themselves on the internet. I imagine its that way for a lot of people as well. Those who have been doing the job for years dont map a route, they see an address and drive to it. Im thinking of making a career change so Ive been looking on LinkedIn at people who are in the field to see how they got there. qualcomm sa8540 flask upload file hancock age one piece seegore com shooting super metroid multiplayer randomizer young teen college strategic angler. And then you have all of the hacks and data breaches that leave peoples data exposed. Let's be honest: If you feel the need to snoop through your significant other's phone, you probably shouldn't be together in the first place. There are still many people in this world using the internet for the first time today. Yes, I hadnt thought of this but it definitely makes them a more flexible option! how much snooping can you do on coworkers, my manager told a reference But it would never occur to me to feel like Im missing out on pizza. But dont default to Starbucks! Mike Monteiro has told a story of people being added to a Facebook group without consent, implying or reveal the status of their sexuality. But when I do post I imagine that anyone and everyone is going to see it. And if you find something like you find, theres still time to act. Im in a little rural spot on the map about an hour away and there is no such thing as delivery out here. Yes. You know, on the whole googling coworkers thing, it seems like there are two main opinions. It does sound like you wouldnt have ended up with a fair offer anyway, given that this company offered you 25% less than you were making at a lower-level job where you were already underpaid! (Though see whos googling you sites claim to existIve never clicked, as I assume theyre mostly or entirely Phishing.). Its all about purpose and intent. Even though the privacy statements for social media, that you checked I accept without reading, actually SAY they get to use your data however they want? I dont necessarily expect them to understand every step I take in order to process these documents, not what every error message that means Im having trouble processing a document their role in understanding is to recognise what kind of problem (internal technical vs supplier information error) and how to solve it (call the specific IT department or contact the supplier), as well as knowing what steps *I* should have/ will have already taken to solve. But it also sounds like the training courses are the least of the issues here! Its naive to think no one will find it. That worked fine. I finally understand why companies give away branded pens. Usually its enough to get at least a medium and a pop. But honest questionif youre working with someone on a regular basis (like the technical person you describe) why wouldnt you just ask them about their background to get a better sense of who youre dealing with? Im twenty something and I dont care either. I have always worked in professions that involve research and knowledge seeking, but I have never found myself needing to know everything about everyone around me because I like boundaries. They often involve lunch or refreshments and various other freebies (pens, notepads, letter openers, etc.). the gift of the nile colleagues should never snoop or look up information cvs
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